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Posted by Thomas Murfin at 2009-08-20 23:29

Thank You Gordon Purdy (who are you so I can put a name to your face please do introduce yourself to me next time you come to the Mynd so i know with whom I am talking to and I might even buy you a beer). We have a comedian amongst our ranks.

I am not famous and my words that are from another forum discussion bear no relation to this thread.

This is a famous quote.

"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

Benjamin Franklin

Learn to differentiate :)

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Geoff Minshull

I am not apologising for anything that I have written on this thread and I don't wish to have my posts taken back as I don't think better of them.

There are a lot of keyboard tigers who have written hugely nasty stuff on this post and then apologised to me on the quiet by hush hush means. So far I have rec'd two emails from two people in this thread (not DB) apologising to me and a phone call from yourself to smooth things over. There has also been 'lots' of supportive emails from BHPA members, former BHPA members and other respected pilots from up and down the UK.

I have established with you that I am still an LMSC member (thankfully) even without BHPA membership.

How can I apologise for this.

I think that i'll have been struck off the BHPAs Christmas Card list (do BHPA members get Christmas Cards, I don't know as i'm not one ?? ;)

LMSC Membership
Posted by Mick Bird-Jones at 2009-08-21 15:27

Just to make things clear for everyone,is this true?
Tom murfin wrote:
I have established with you that I am still an LMSC member (thankfully) even without BHPA membership.

I need faster broadband !
Posted by John Kennedy at 2009-08-21 21:09

Blimey !

Now't like a bit of controversy to stir a few up lol...

To all my good friends past ,present and future,

Having been a BHPA member for 14 years continuously I pondered the minimalistic approach of insuring 3rd party and just flying occasionally , say 3 or 4 times a year.
Speaking at length with Mark Dale (BHPA technical officer)it is very clear that insurance is not a requirement to fly (PG/HG) in the UK at all. The Mynd site is slightly different as the club own the fenced off area where take off usually is.Thus the request for BHPA membership.. Note this is a request if you actually wish to join the club.
For visiting pilots all that is asked is that you can provide evidence of 2 million 3rd party cover if they wish to take off from the fenced off area. (reasonable I think)
I am still undecided where to go with paragliding as I also fly power , I may continue to be in the BHPA ,I may not, who knows.
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Now for the tongue in cheek part... lol....

Donnison ..
for God,s sake leave the ridge and go XC !! Then maybe ..
1)People can park their cars without fear of returning to find it smashed :-)
2)Richy Chaffe can deploy at will without fear of the local Papparatzi :-)
3)Pg will once again become safer as your camera seems to curse all who gaze upon it :-)
4)BHPA premiums will reduce and the local bodyshop will lower it's prices due to the lack of demand :-)

Belligerent old fool , AKA taxman Dave...
Please leave my friend alone... and his dogs !! I always thought you preferred sheep anyhow? :-)

Wayno....
long time no see...
No wonder you still fly crap.. probably can't even see clouds
Get some reading specs m8, I did'nt say buying land was bad, just that we could have done it better without the help of the BHPA..
Anyhow I still luvs ya blind or not :-) x

The one and only Mr Murfin...
what can I say .. ?? That night me and Dawn got hold of ya in the nightclub seems to sent you as mad as us !!
I can just see it now .. a wannabe self appointed land agent approaches us on a hill and can't control his temper when he realises we shan't budge....in a flash he attacks and upon realising he can't pull our hair (we got none lol) he leaves us half dead....
The result ? 12 months in the slammer for occasioning GBH with Taxman Dave coming out of retirement to do his and his family's 7 year tax investigation...(because as we all know a land "Agent" would receive remuneration from the Landowner would he not !!!!!!!
Well perhaps a "benefit in kind!" lol

Love the banter man , let's have more :-) :-) :-)

Insurance
Posted by Geoff Minshull at 2009-08-22 08:31

To clarify the position with respect to insurance, I want to repeat some of my original post:

"The LMSC constitution says that ...... visiting pilots must be members of the BHPA or meet the current BHPA minimum requirements for Third Party Liability Insurance."

The 'visiting pilots' clause may well have been aimed at foreign pilots; but it does not say that. Therefore non-BHPA members can fly LMSC managed sites, so long as they have adequate third party insurance. We have looked at the Sportdirect insurance, and at the moment it seems acceptable to us. It does provide £2 million of third party cover.

That is the constitutional position, and we are bound by the constitution, the members as well as the committee. Some people might argue that this clause should be more specific, and only apply to foreign visiting pilots. Club members are perfectly entitled to propose an amendment to the constitution to specify that, either at the next AGM, in April, or by calling an Extraordinary General Meeting.

Of course, insurance via BHPA membership is far simpler, and you do know it covers what is required. Hard to be certain about that when looking at insurance from other companies, which can vary a lot in their terms and conditions - you only have to see the frequent discussions about which insurance to use for flying abroad to realise that.

BHPA membership
Posted by Geoff Minshull at 2009-08-22 08:52

This is the clarification of the position on who is eligible to be a member of the LMSC.

The LMSC constitution says that all flying members must be members of the BHPA.

This is perfectly clear. It pre-dates me being the chair of the LMSC. But as a club we are bound by it. And will be until the constitution changes. Given it says it in the constitution, it's not an option. There are no exceptions. If you fly, and want to be in the LMSC, you have to be a current member of the BHPA.

Therefore, anybody who is not a current BHPA member is NOT an LMSC member.

Posting on the forum is - as it says at the top of the forum page - for members only. Non-members do not have the right to post on this forum, and posting rights have been withdrawn.

Sometimes, the discussion about the BHPA reminds me of the 'what did the Romans ever do for us' scene in Life of Brian.

Posted by Judith Mole at 2009-08-22 10:39

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Posted by Jason Smith at 2010-02-25 17:25

Since the subject of Insurance and the BHPA has come up again, I thought I'd dig out this thread from last year. I would imagine that 36 posts would cover it all ;-) !!!!

Jason

Insurance
Posted by John Antill at 2010-02-25 22:36

I have followed this thread with dismay. I spent 40 years as a broker at Lloyds of London and was involved with this type of insurance.
The insurance arranged by the BHPA for its members was to ensure that we had the widest cover. Other insurers give cover for our sport, but not necessarily as wide e.g. some will exclude accidents between two pilots(participant to participant). Thus with such an insurance if one caused an accident and injured a fellow pilot coverage would be denied.
Reputable insurers give cover for our sport, but careful reading of their policy is needed to ensure that the exclusions do not exclude certain accidents as described above, or that the geographical limits don't preclude that foreign holiday.
Before any other insurance could be considered as an acceptable alternative to that provided by the BHPA the policy would need close scrutiny by an independant advisor. Preferably by a lawyer specialising in insurance matters.
I believe that the BHPA membership and the insurance that goes with it is essential for all our security. John Antill

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